[AKidsRight.Org] Your FEEDBACK: On challenging a license suspension for 'support'.

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Good People & People of Faith,

This message has your FEEDBACK, and a lot of it!  There was a great
response to what happened to John Murtari and his effort regarding a
license suspension (please see http://www.AKidsRight.Org/support) for
details.

All the messages here were 'positive' -- there were some others and we
will have another message with just those.  We may all find some very
useful thoughts there also.

One note: Some messages below make John seem like a Father's Rights
activist. He is not.  The AKidsRight.Org goal is getting the Civil
Rights of Parent's recognized -- BOTH mothers and fathers should be
recognized as FIT and EQUAL parents to their children. See ->
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/approach.htm

---  Harry <hdpham2001@yahoo.com>

> I admire your courage ! We are behind you, John.

--- "Terv" <arvida@renc.igs.net>

> I am from Canada and I really support your actions. You are not
> committing a crime it is peaceful and at the same time people are
> looking and remembering!

--- Rose Johnson <ijaa2004@yahoo.com>

> John: I sent a notice to the media you listed.  God bless you
> tomorrow!  It is a very important trial.

--- Kim Berry <kberry@surewest.net>

> That's awesome. Good you stood your ground, and we'll see where this
> leads.

> webmaster: http://www.cafcusa.org/

--- cimini.family@att.net

> Just two words:  Congrats and Appeal!

Yes, thanks for the message.  I'd like to appeal but just don't have
the time/resources to do it properly.  Had tried to get a Civil Rights
law firm to take it, but they declined.

--- claire pink <clairerify@yahoo.com>

> I would be happy and proud to contact anyone for you!  I got all the
> contacts you listed in your post on PAF etc.  I will be calling all
> of them.  Good luck at your hearing!  I wish I could be there in
> person to give you moral support but its a long way from Florida.
> My thoughts are with you!

--- Theresa Martin <allaboutme38@yahoo.com>

> Oh John!  This is wonderful news for you and Dom as well as your
> Mother.  Congratulations on the fact he did not put you in jail.
> Anything goes in there and I know you had to have had a very
> sleepless night.

> We are all proud of your character and what you represent.  Your son
> is so blessed to have a father he can admire.  Give your mother a
> big hug and tell her the people say thanks for the excellent job she
> did in raising a son with proper values.

--- Addi <Addiwallner@aol.com>

> Once again you amaze me with your convictions and endurance to make
> the laws just...

> This is a copy of the letter that I sent.  I hope you do not mind
> that I had copied some thing that you wrote. I sent this letter to
> most addresses that you placed on the bottom of our news letter...
> I wish you the best of luck...

--- Ann Adams <ann.adams95340@gmail.com>

> I'll try to write something but I'm not sure how willing they'd be
> to listen to a California voice.

> Good luck.  How far are you willing to take it?  Do you have
> organizational support?  You must, from the responses you've been
> getting but I haven't had time to read it all.

--- Fran  <GFGriner@aol.com>

> You are absolutely doing the right thing.  A guy I know is just too
> worn down in fighting against his license suspension and all for
> child support, and in periods of depression, he cannot fight it at
> this time, UNLESS he gets arrested for driving after 3 years, more
> than 500 times probably!!  Then, if does get arrested, I hope he has
> the strength to do what you are doing.  I will give him your latest
> notice to give him support.

> I have the names of over 7000 names and addresses of suspensions in
> my county alone!!  This law is totally unconstitutional.

 Florida Case Law

> Larsen v. Larsen, No.  4D04-773 (Fla.App. 05/04/2005)_
> (http://www.specialtylaw.com/FLFL/NONSUB.HTM) Appellant challenges
> an order authorizing the suspension of his driver's license for
> nonpayment of child support with a purge provision of $2,500. He
> claims that he does not have the present ability to pay the purge
> amount. Because the suspension of a driver's license constitutes a
> civil sanction, the court must provide the contemnor with the
> opportunity to purge the sanction, and it must determine that the
> contemnor has the present ability to pay the purge amount. . . . Not
> only did the trial court fail to make such a finding, nothing in the
> record would support a finding that appellant has the ability to pay
> that amount. We therefore reverse.

--- howard deaton <outlet110volts@yahoo.com>

> I read through the links that was posted on this mail.  And John Has
> my total respect and support and I feel all on the boards should
> give him your support.  Everything this Father has done has been
> selfless and has help others even all he has gone through.  The
> Sacrifices he has made for His Son Is so Wonderful and brings A tear
> to my Eye for sure.  The Civil rights Violations We fight through
> everyday we As Fathers This Man needs are support so please post
> this far and wide.  He deserves your support for all he has done for
> us,The selfless actions he has made for the rights of all and most
> of all for our children.

--- Diane Booth  <Childrescue2006@aol.com>

> I support what you are doing, John.  I think it is a despicable
> practice to suspend one's driver's license because they can not keep
> up child support payments!  Besides despicable, it doesn't make any
> sense.  If one is unable to pay, if they further can no longer drive
> to work, how is that supposed to enable them to pay?  As I mentioned
> in a post on my blog, I have known personally girls in jail who were
> there because they couldn't pay child support to the State, who
> wrongfully apprehended their children!  The money is not going to
> support the children, rather it is lining someone else's
> pocket. Peace and Justice,

> Diane Booth, Childrescue, http://www.msnusers.com/FreeVincentBooth

--- Chris <cjs@mykid2.org>

> I agree that we dads need to stand up for our rights, but after
> years of soul destroying marriage, culminating in acrimonious
> protracted divorce and followed by relentless persecution many of us
> haven't the strength to keep our lives together let alone fight for
> a cause.

> I wish to express my admiration for your tenacity and I can only
> assume your strength comes from divine inspiration. What you do is
> helping to get the message across... hopefully young men will stop
> being such hopeless romantic fools.  God Bless

--- "Byron Prior" <alltrue@nl.rogers.com>

> John, I pray you have the best of luck, in court, December 12. I
> wish I could be there for support, but you know, I can't manage
> that, my thoughts and prayers will be there. My new date in court is
> January 18/06.  Keep up your fight and I hope you have success to
> help everyone.  Byron Prior

--- Robert Lisk <rg-lisk@worldnet.att.net>

> This should be added to the website of Dumb Laws.... those that make
> no sense.

> Take away a guy's method of income, takes away from his
> support. DUH.

> ... For instance, I shoot real estate pictures, and if the DMV takes
> my driver's license, they just took away my income, and ability to
> pay any shape or form of child support payments.

> Further, DUH... a good father, mother should be able to able to
> share their children, equally!

--- Dennis Barlotta <dbarlotta@yahoo.com>

> Each night I read your messages and they break my heart. We are far
> from perfect; each of us has made mistakes. And when we are at our
> lowest point, these vultures descend upon us. To suppose a judge, an
> attorney, any member of the Family Court System has anything other
> than then own pocketbook in mind, is, based upon my experience,
> insanity.

> They are the pigs George Orwell wrote about. To suppose that one can
> proceed within their system and expect justice is madness. The very
> best we can do is survive until there is nothing more they can take
> from us.

> And there is one more thing we can do. We can speak to those men yet
> to marry and tell them what awaits them. I would say to them, assume
> everything I tell you is untrue, and so check for yourself. Ask what
> the child support guide lines are in your state. Ask what the
> penalties are for some someone who does not pay what he is ordered
> to pay. Call a lawyer in your home town, tell him you and your wife
> have split up, ask what is it going to cost for the divorce.

> ... Provide them work sheets and verifiable references that will
> enable them to understand what is at risk.

> Now do I believe all of them will listen to us? NO. But if one
> person at a time does, and we can begin to influence men not to
> marry and father children then I believe laws will change, not
> because the government cares about the people but because it cares
> about itself.

> The only way to win in the Family Court is to never go there in the
> first place.

Thanks for taking the time to write a thoughtful message.  It really
is a bad system and an indignity to any parent.  I do draw hope from
the fact many people would have had a similar perspective on
Segregation back in the 40s -- that it would never change. But it did
and significantly.  With some Faith, I believe we can do the same.

--- John <jschmeidler@ruraltel.net>

> I suggest that at your trial you become familiar with cases such as
> the one listed here.  The circumstances of losing your drivers
> license a involve important rights.  First of all suspended your
> license for failure to pay child support is not related the State's
> goal of regulating traffic, or licenser of a motor vehicle.  If you
> would like further research on this topic, please let me know.

> The State in restricting your right to travel, must somehow show
> that that is related to the stated purpose of making you comply with
> a child support order.  That would be difficult.  Also, without a
> drivers license the state is in fact restricting and hampering your
> ability to pay.  The statute is extortive

--- Edward Kruk <kruk@interchange.ubc.ca>

> Your strategy is sound, and is exactly the strategy I would use.  Do
> not cooperate with evil.  And above all do not eat the jail
> food. But if a supporter brings you food from outside that is made
> with love, to sustain you in your battle against Goliath, you might
> wish to do them the honour of accepting this.  But refuse all food
> from the jailers.

> My own elderly parents have not seen their grandson for over 5
> years. They are in failing health.  Yet again there will be a
> Christmas gathering at my parents' place without my beloved son,
> Liam, who is now 10.  They also have not seen their first grandson
> for over 20 years.  He is full of hate toward his father and
> extended family, having been poisoned by his mother; he was such a
> good boy.  In both instances the mothers were jealous of the close
> bond I had with my son and sought to destroy it--and did.  And there
> was no shortage of people profiting from my sons' misery--lawyers
> and the courts.

> My heart is broken, shattered.

> I admire the work you are doing, and in my own way I am campaigning
> for law reform.  I have attached a recent article for your
> consideration.  Take care, and best wishes in the place of
> disaffection in which you find yourself.

--- Bill Brantmeyer <daklane2000@yahoo.com>

> I wish there were something I could do for you.You and I are very
> much alike, as we stand tall and believe so strongly in principles
> and each and everyones basic fundamental rights.The rights that were
> once guaranteed to all by the now what appears to be the useless (at
> least in family court) U.S. Constitution.Those rights that are being
> violated and taken from us on a daily basis. And no matter what the
> U.S supreme court re-itterates as our rights, family courts seem to
> continue to betray their oaths and continue to steal our children,
> civil liberties etc.When will this madness end? It has now been
> almost 3 yrs since I've seen the faces of my boys...since I've heard
> their voices... Another holiday season is passing, now why would I
> or any other parent who's children have been kidnapped with all the
> support of the state be depressed? (an illness that is unacceptable
> in family court, an illness which can and will be used against you).

> To all who know the suffering of being forced into being not so much
> as a bystander in your children's lives... MAY GOD BLESS AND COMFORT
> YOU THIS HOLIDAY SEASON!!!

--- dion muncrief <dionmuncr@yahoo.com>

> This has been one of the most trying times of your life. I know
> personally. My life for the last 17 months have been totally upside
> down and inside out! I am one of the lucky ones who took the first
> step and filed! If I had been as malicious, as my soon hopefully
> ex-wife, there would not be enough basement in a court house. She
> has not accused me of any kind of abuse, just negligence. So far I
> have paid dearly ($$$$$$), but have never lost in the courts. I
> starting reading your the letter to the judge, but realized that I
> have to go to work in the morning and your story would not let me do
> that any time soon. My prayers are with you my brother. The most
> important word I read so far was "DADDY!!!!!!" We are DADDIES, not
> fathers! I fathered my children, but I am not their father now, I AM
> THEIR DADDIE!!!!!!!!! My twins LOVE their DADDIE! You have my
> prayers, my respect, and my love to a fellow DADDIE who also knows
> the truth of what is really important in our children's! lives.

--- Roger Baril <somaticsmove@yahoo.com>

> dear john, i read your letter to the judge and your affidavit. i
> face similar things as a good father for my 3 1/2 year old girl. i
> am so sorry for you in the way the system has treated you. very
> similar to me. i will be most interested in what happens for you in
> this case. i commend you greatly sir, for making such a stand in
> truth and dignity. do not back down. you are doing a great thing on
> behalf of many men who are being denied access to their
> children. again, i would provide a letter of support for you if i
> can help. i see my girl 10% and we live 2 miles apart in a small
> town. this is a tragic loss for lyla with her dad. the mother has a
> new boyfriend who has moved in with my daughter now. all of a sudden
> there is a big difficulty with this man who has a huge influence to
> my little girl while i am way out on the outskirts. it is so wrog
> and invasive. it does not make a bit of sense. WHY?  are fathers so
> disregarded???  best wishes,

> dear john, i read the results of your case. i hope you might still
> file it to a higher court with the requests that the civil AND
> constitutional agenda be addressed and ruled upon. you have a little
> momentum and this makes it a good timing. but get a good attorney
> that might serve from http://www.fathersrightsny.com/ at 7166358323
> thoughts? roger

Well, I would like to appeal.  That is why I submitted a formal motion
on the constitutional issues before the trial.  It is in PDF form at
http://www.AKidsRight.Org/support

I personally don't have the time/resources to do it alone.  I did try
with a local Civil Right's law firm, but they weren't interested.  If
you think you can pitch it to someone you know, I would be very happy
to cooperate with them.

--- Theresa Martin <allaboutme38@yahoo.com>

> I have read (skimmed over) your case and history in dealing with the
> Family Courts enough to gain an understanding and give my opinion.
> My heart aches for you.

> As a single Mother of 4 having to live on welfare without child
> support from my first husband after he fled - I was only told by the
> system "he could not be located" or "you cannot get blood from a
> rock."  Now 25 years later he still owes child support.

> I would never encourage anyone not to provide for their own but, in
> your situation I think you were set up to fail from the beginning.
> The Court does not care about anyones best interest -- especially
> Dom's.

> The denial letter from your x-wife's attorney is so cold and
> obviously does not appreciate the rightful, loving bond between a
> parent/child does not cost a thing.  It's duty and obligations that
> keep you motivated.  That proves to me you are not a dead-beat
> although the Courts opinion would differ.  This is legal abuse.  You
> have stipulated your situation and have not been labeled a
> 'criminal' until the Court themselves imposed an unreasonableness
> which, obviously could not be obtained as stated for so many years.

> I wish the Courts would wipe your slate clean as your son does not
> need the money but needs his Father.  How dare any government agency
> infringe or dictate on that God-Given right.  If there is anything I
> can do to help your situation, please do not hesitate to ask. I am
> all for good parents remaining steadfast and unsinkable in a system
> that wrongs the innocent victims at every turn.

> Keep the Faith -- For there is a reason you are in this situation
> and something positive will come out of it.

--- Robert Gartner <planetaryg@yahoo.com>

> I am shaking in my bones for you. I hope this is a good and useful
> choice. Its hard enough to imagine just yourself but you have your
> mother and your son.  I could say I know how you feel but I have not
> taken a similar position in any protest. I will be hoping for great
> success for this situation.  I sent the letter to all the entities
> this morning at 400 AM.

> I am writing to you in support of Mr. John Murtari and his trial
> Monday, December 12, 2005 in Lyons, NY, 08:30AM in the Village
> Court. He is on trial for driving without a drivers license.

> What makes this situation noteworthy and unique is that he has
> driven a hundred times without a license since his license was
> revoked for alleged nonpayment of child support monies. He has since
> informed the court and the judge that he has done so not once but a
> hundred times.

> He loves his child and believes that the assessment for the child
> support money is unjust. His story is available on his web site
> listed at the bottom of this letter. He believes that nobody should
> be forced to lose their license either especially when they are
> caring for an 89 year old mother in her final days.

> I am in support of Mr. Murtari because the state has turned a father
> into a billfold. The state is systematically abusing the children of
> separated households because it routinely ignores and denies a
> child's inherent right to each and both parents on an EQUAL
> BASIS. The state in more recent times with so called Federal
> 'welfare reform' is especially interested in making a father a money
> machine. States enjoy one of eight dollars it collects form these
> fathers. Therefore, the state has turned children and fathers into a
> business for generating cash for itself. It has every reason NOT to
> allow equal custody to each and both parents. This is predation on
> humanity by the government.

> I am in support of Mr John Murtari as well because the state does
> not respect any part of the relationship this affected child may or
> may not have with the so called non custodial parent. Those who are
> in custody routinely subvert and undermine access and relationship
> with the so called NCP. No penalty is imposed upon the
> perpetrators. The father, usually, is thus destroyed except as I
> said for his money. The state does nothing.

> I am such a victim of similar circumstances. One of my children I
> have NEVER SEEN yet her mother gets the money monthly. My daughter
> is now ten years old and lives within 15 miles of me. It would be up
> to me to sue to see my daughter but I am destitute.The state does
> not care. The state actually used the allegations against me made
> about me regarding my older daughter to try to limit and destroy any
> chance I might have to have a second daughter.

> I am such a victim with my older daughter. She is nineteen now and
> totally parentally alienated from me. This is true even after she
> resided with me form the time she was eighteen months till she was
> six and one half. Then a zealous advocacy group slam dunked me
> accusing me of child sexual abuse. I just learned that her mother
> was out committing a major felony while she got the free help from
> this group. Again the state does not care one twit about these
> circumstances.

> John Murtari is a brave man not unlike Rosa Parks or Martin Luther
> King. He represents me and millions of displaced and destroyed
> fathers over generations! Two thirds of the children in this country
> reside in single parent households. Have you seen the horrible
> statistics on the result of a child growing up without a father?

> Please  be there for John on Monday! 

--- Robert Smith <ras212@optonline.net>

> The following is my letter to the editors and news staff of all the
> news organizations in your area.  God bless you and your family.
> Justice must be served.  You have the power of St. Michael and all
> the Angels & Saints on your side.

> RE: PSNY v. JOHN MURTARI, Trial scheduled Mon. 12/11/05, Village Court - Lyons NY

> To Whom It May Concern:

> On Monday December 12, 2005 Mr. John Murtari will be tried in the
> Village Court of Lyons NY for 100-counts of driving with a suspended
> license.  John Murtari is a good man who is being prosecuted for
> penalties that exist within an unconstitutional law and applied by
> the kangaroo NY Family Court - on his limited income he was not able
> to pay $55,000 in child support carelessly imposed by the
> destructive, corrupt and despicable NYS Family Court.  John Murtari,
> a taxpayer, a decent, hard-working man, a devoted son to his
> terminally ill 89-year-old mother, a loving and nurturing father to
> his 12-year-old son, an honorable man who has so far paid $55,000 in
> direct support to his son, is having his civil rights violated.  He
> is considered a "dead beat" dad but he is not, in fact, quite the
> opposite.

> This in not a case about a murderer, an armed robber, a drug dealer,
> a violent offender or career criminal.  This is a case that
> highlights some of what is wrong within NYS Family Court system, the
> NY divorce enterprise, the unfair child support guidelines and the
> lack of shared-parenting laws.  To convict John Murtari would be a
> travesty of justice.  To destroy the life of a good man would not
> only be criminal but would be a mortal sin.  This case cannot be
> ignored because it is part of a nationwide problem that needs to
> end.

> This is a golden opportunity for investigative reporters to begin to
> break into the NYS Family Court system sub-culture, to expose the
> horrors that all parents and children subjected to it face, to
> ferret out the corrupt judges, lawyers, mental-health workers, child
> "advocates", and so forth.  It is a chance to reveal the
> unconstitutional "family" laws that help destroy the lives of
> fathers, mothers and children.

> This case is the tip of a dangerous iceberg that must be destroyed
> before more good lives are ruined.  The futures of our children are
> at stake!  God help us and God bless America.

> Sincerely, 
> Robert Smith

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